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Friday, August 12, 2016

Don't they say, 'A fish rots from the head'?

From a recent Vox Day blogpost, 'fisking' the attempt of some SJW to "control the narrative", Mailvox: an SJW Narrative sale
A recent comment from HGL is an almost flawless example of this. Here is his attempt to reshape reality by doing what SJWs always do:
Meh, Wright had some talent befor castalua. I think what's telling is that although vox makes himself out to be the next big thing (constantly), his scifi posts get fewer and fewer hits and everyone ignored the hell out of him on Brad's blog recently. No one who matters is buying it.
Let's count the false assertions. I get five.
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5.There are tens of thousands of people who are buying Castalia books. All of them matter. Regardless, the key thing to note here is the appeal to those "who matter", which is typical SJW-speak, because it permits them to disqualify everyone whose behavior falsifies their false narrative.
Sounds good (rational and honest), right?

So how do Vox Day's "Ilk" behave?

Here is 'Snidely Whiplish', trying to "control the narrative":
And yet you post a link to your idiot drivel there. Why? We're all fascists two steps from rounding up the Jews, why would you want even to speak to us?

Here is 'Dave Narby', trying to "control the narrative":
Here's a novel thought: Post your idea in the affirmative, first person.

You know, as if you were trying to make a cogent point and engage in actual dialog - as opposed to snarkily and self-righteously trying to virtue signal.

Say your sorry for being a douchenozzle first. I bet Vox will post it!

Here is 'Snidely Whiplish' again, both trying to "control the narrative" and using the Disqualify! tactic:
Post ing a link to your inane drivel, where you call us all idiots and German fascists one step from killing Jews, because we don't think "Free Trade" as it is practiced has benefited us.
You're a fool and tool of the corporate fascists, and you're damn proud of it.

Here is 'Snidely Whiplish' again, both trying to "control the narrative" and using the Disqualify! tactic: Here is :
I never called you a Leftie. Inane Libertarian, definitely. Cuckservative, probably.
What you said is inane drivel because you are inane and you drivel.

You're also a gutless gamma that can't stand the idea that Vox slapped your stupid bitch ass down when you tried to derail the conversation by mocking him. The passive-aggressive reposting it on your blog and posting a link here is the gamma tell.

And finally your "point" (that trade restrictions mean slavery and the enrichment of the elite) has been conclusively destroyed by actual experience. What has 40 years of Free Trade dogma done for the people of the US? Made them more free than they were?

Of course, being a little, useless, libertarian gamma bitch, you prefer your theory and "thought experiments" to actual experience and history.

Here is 'BGKB', using the Disqualify! tactic:
If you follow the link Ilion is asking to be banned for cucking.

For the humor of it, Here is 'lowercaseb', playing the "You're so Dreamy!" card:
wow...I took a peek at his blog and I thought for sure that was Catalytic Converter or whatever the name was of the last guy who kept writing giant missives on whatever blog he could find about how Vox was so unfair and how much he didn't care.

I'm still kinda new here, but they really are starting to sound all alike.

Here is Vox Day, just breaking my heart:
Banned and spammed, Ilion. You're done here.
What? I can no longer *see* -- and hold up for ridicule -- the foolish things he writes on the internet?

As of today, 2016/08/12, there have been 160 pageviews of the 'What a hypocritical asshole' post. Now, of course that is small potatoes compared to someone who is always boasting of his massive readership. To give the reader some idea of how unimportant my blog is, that 160 pageviews is 140-150 more than I would normally expect to see.

But here is the thing: however many actual persons those 160 pagewiews represent, at least some of them are going to be open to the idea that they ought to read Vox Day with a very large grain of salt. At least some of them are going to be open to the idea that if they pay attention, they can see for themselves that he constantly employs so many of the same intellectually dishonest tactics and techniques that he (rightly) condemns others for using. And, at least some of them are going to be open to the idea that if they *really* pay attention, they can see for themselves that his prescription for turning back the growing leftist tyranny over America is ... more leftist tyranny in America.

7 comments:

Nate Winchester said...

Well you did get a new rule implemented over there. One that would scorch earth the entire comments section if applied unbiasedly. It will at least be a handy and fast rule for determining who's favorite over there.

Watching the alt-right has taught me a lot about "projection" and I've gained a theory on why this is so common. (Screwtape's probably already written a letter about it but I can't recall immediately.)

Basically, we notice people doing X. X is bad, we don't like it. That makes those people bad, and we don't like them. We like ourselves, we know we're good, therefore we don't do X. Therefore since we can't be like those people over there (why they're nothing like us) then there's no way we can be doing what they do, so we ignore all the signs of us doing X.

Example: Tumblrite believes that only religious conservative people can be racist. They are clearly not religious nor conservative so therefore they never see themselves as being racist, no matter how much they end up being racist.

It's a clever trick by evil if you think about it. Instead of thinking about the sin itself and the forms it can take, we get stuck associating the sin with features fundamentally unrelated to it so we never see it creeping up on us. (always something to watch for, Ilion)

I'll leave it to you to note any times you've noticed the alt-right succumbing to this phenomena.

B. Prokop said...

Ilion,

Apologies for using your comments box for a personal message, but you just might find my latest posting over on Celestial Pilgrimage of interest.

Ilíon said...

"I'll leave it to you to note any times you've noticed the alt-right succumbing to this phenomena."

Constantly. That was one of the reasons for, points of, this post -- the group-behavior or those who call themselves 'alt-right' tends to be indistinguishable from that of the Social Justice Wankers.

Ilíon said...

I didn't invent the 'Science!' "meme" to denote the fetish (I just added the italics.) I picked it up from Matteo, at (the now defunct) 'Cartago Delenda Est'

B. Prokop said...

Ah.. and here I was thinking you were the innovator! The italics are a nice touch, however.

Ilíon said...

I've mentioned then before, though I'm sure it's easy to forget. (Ah! I see that I also added the quote-marks) Yes, I thought it just wanted to be italicized.

Ilíon said...

Nate: "Well you did get a new rule implemented over there. One that would scorch earth the entire comments section if applied unbiasedly. It will at least be a handy and fast rule for determining who's favorite over there."

Vox Day, explaining the "rule": "You can speak your own opinion. You can criticize my opinion and the opinions of the other commenters. But what you are not permitted to do is to try to speak for others in order to set up straw men that you can criticize in lieu of their actual opinions."

What's even funnier about all this is that anyone with the reading comprehension of a first grader can tell that I was criticizing his opinion ... and doing it too effectively.