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Sunday, September 8, 2013

A Suicide Pact?

Christianity is not a suicide pact -- neither with respect to individuals nor to peoples and societies -- but according the the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, Catholicism is a national suicide pact, at least with respect to *our* nation.


B. Prokop said...

Ilion, How is this document a "suicide pact"? It calls for Earned Legalization (and what else would you propose that's better?), a Future Worker Program (to ensure that a greater portion of future immigrants come here legally), a more humane legal procedure for uniting families (you are for families, right?), programs to make people less anxious to immigrate here in the first place ("Addressing Root Causes"), and supports enforcement of the law.

What is so wrong with all that? Why do you term that a suicide pact. Sounds eminently reasonable to me. Is this just your anti-Catholic bias showing itself here?

Ilíon said...

It's my intention to amend the OP, detailing (at least some of) the various ways in which this document asserts that Chriatianity is a national/cultural suicide pact -- there are multiple points, and certainly will not claim that I see all of them.

I made this OP, now, not having included an explication of these things because otherwise I'd never get around to saying anything about this profoundly wicked (*) document and policy and the mindset behind them.

(*) and I don't toss around the term 'wicked' in the cavilier manner in which people toss around 'evil'

But, still look at what your yourself have written here. Apply your mind to just those points, in light of what is really going on in the world and what human nature is really like -- if it will help you, pretend that it was, say, GW Bush, or better yet, RM Nixon, who authored these positions.

Ilíon said...

"Is this just your anti-Catholic bias showing itself here?"

I don't have an "anti-Catholic bias" -- I am against Catholicism, and it isn't some mere bias.

You're falsely accusing me of being the mirror image of BenYachov. It seems to me you do this on two points:
1) that I vigorously condemn (and mock) BenYachov's antics with respect to the Protestant/Catholic split;
2) that Catholics tend to be hypocritical pussies on these matters -- *they* can make judge Protestantism or Protestant sects, whether or not the judgments are sound, and that's all well and good, but if *we* judge Catholicism, no matter how well grounded the judgment, it's just "anti-Catholic bias".

B. Prokop said...

I've for a long time now maintained that the only potentially effective solution to the US's illegal immigration problem is to remove the motivation for coming here. I've talked to these people (being an old Arizonan - most of my family still lives there, although I no longer do), and by and large the only reason they're here is the jobs are here, and there are none to be had back home. Given the choice, they'd far rather stay with their families. Who wouldn't?

So... invest in jobs where the illegals come from, and they will stop coming here. Problem solved.

Bedarz Iliaci said...

"I am against Catholicism"

And what are you for then, if I may be forgiven to ask?

At this time, is it really possible to be a believer and not a Catholic?