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Tuesday, August 10, 2010

Homogamy and civilizational decline

Vox Day: Homogamy and civilizational decline
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Douthat also inadvertantly mentions the source of the problem, as the supplementation of those later ideas, especially the fictional "equality" of the sexes has been far more destructive to Western civilization than homogamy will if the judicial activists are successful in imposing their antidemocratic will upon the people. In fact, I tend to see homogamy and its assorted ills as being much more a late-stage symptom than a causal factor when it comes to societal collapse.
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Whether or not "homogamy" will be more or less destructive of our society than feminism has been, a rational person cannot but agree that it is a symptom, rather than the cause, of the on-going societal collapse.
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But that doesn't change the easily observable fact that the forces pushing homogamy and open homosexuality are actively engaged in attempting to destroy one of the more successful civilizations in human history. As I showed in yesterday's WND column , there is no genuine "progress" being made here, social or moral, this is simply a return to the pagan decadence of a society that was in decline 18 centuries ago. The observations of one of the first historians of women, Alfred Brittain, made at the turn of the 20th century about Roman women, was an insightful harbinger of the subsequent success of the suffrage movement.
"Julia represented the prevalent social conditions of her time. Licentiousness, like a cancer, was eating into the heart of Roman society; and this was to grow still worse. It must be admitted also that female degeneracy kept pace with the increase of woman's influence in the political world. Livia and Agrippina the Elder were exceptions; but the rule was, and has been in all history, that the activity of women in State affairs was accompanied by an abundance of meretricious amatory intrigues. It is a remarkable fact that in the history of the Roman woman--and possibly this statement might be given a much wider application--there is no instance where any individual woman designedly helped to bring about the enactment of a law for the public weal. Female politics always had for their object the advancement of the female politician's own personal interests or those of some male favorite."
To be fair, there have been the occasional exceptions over the last 100 years, such as Margaret Thatcher, but then of course she was declared to be "not of the gender woman" by fellow members of her sex for her sin of deviating from the female political pattern.* ...


The collapse of federalism -- and thus, the ever-growing tyranny of the government in DC -- has its roots in the Civil War and after-effects and in the Marbury v. Madison Supreme Court decision of 1803. BUT, it was the passage of the 17th amendment, the direct election of US senators, which finally turned the several sovereign States of the United States into provinces of an empire (in the older sense of the word) ruled out of Washington, DC.

Similarly, it was the 19th amendment, women's suffrage, which put us definitively on the road to the societal collapse and ruin we are now trying to live through.

Certainly, there are individual women who have more to offer the body politic as voting citizens than many men do. In like wise, there are individual women who can kick the asses of many men. The proportions of both are likely similar.

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I don't see the 19th amendment ever being repealed ... short of an Islamic takeover; and then we'd have far more immediately deadly things with which to concern ourselves. And, frankly, due to the very societal and cultural changes over the past century which make repeal unlikely, I'm not sure it would even be that desirable. Our men have become feminized (*) in their thinking; removing actual women from the voting rolls could well exacerbate that trend.

On the other hand, repeal of the 17th amendment is possible if enough of The People can be brought to understand what federalism is and what its purpose/intention is.

So many of the society-destroying effects of granting women the vote ... legalized abortion, for instance, or the explosive growth of "the welfare state" -- would have been difficult to enact, if not outright impossible, were federalism still a real force in national politics.

I think we can live with the 19th amendment; but the 17th amendment must destroy us in tyranny. This was the beginning of the end of the Roman Republic (and, of course, there were a multitude of cultural factors which worked together to destroy their Republic). Now, our culture, being based upon Christianity, is not so fragile as that of the Romans. Thus, we do not need to keep our women as prisoners of their menfolk to keep the society going. Nevertheless, we must restore patriarchy if we wish to survive.

And, one way or another, patriarchy will be restored to the American and European societies; for matriarchy primitivizes and destroys societies. The question is, will it be a Christianity-based patriarchy or an Islamic?


(*) and when men take on typically feminine traits or characteristics, they nearly always over-do it into an obscene caricature.

8 comments:

Drew said...

//Our men have become feminized (*) in their thinking; removing actual women from the voting rolls could well exacerbate that trend.//

What do you mean? How so?

Also as a side note, a couple of your numbers are typos.

Sleepy said...

http://www.narth.com/docs/desiresch.html

Specifically this section:"None of these encounters were persuasive...The post-surgical subjects struck me as caricatures of women. They wore high heels, copious makeup, and flamboyant clothing; they spoke about how they found themselves able to give vent to their natural inclinations for peace, domesticity, and gentleness--but their large hands, prominent Adam's apples, and thick facial features were incongruous (and would become more so as they aged). Women psychiatrists whom I sent to talk with them would intuitively see through the disguise and the exaggerated postures. "Gals know gals," one said to me, "and that's a guy."

Ilíon said...

Ilíon: "Our men have become feminized (*) in their thinking; ..."

Drew: "What do you mean?"

One manifestation of what I mean is that whole "body modification" sub-culture; the tatoos and piercings ... and genital mutilations. The mindeset, "Notice ME, not for anything I have ever accomplished, but simply for how I decorate by body" is at base a feminine mindset, not a masculine one. Those earlobe-mutilating plugs boys have taken to wearing of late in place of mere earstuds or earrings are an example of what I meant about men taking the feminine traits they adopt to obscene extremes; likewise, the covering of one's body (especially face and hands) with tatoos is "men" taking a feminine trait of self-decoration an obscene level.

Men's minds have been feminized (it's an intentional by-product of modern schools since the "progrssives" have been in control) ... and, in general, the younger the man the more feminized, for the boys and younger men have had fewer examples of masculinity in their lives. SInce they don't *know* themselves to be men, and so they must continually display hyper-masculine traits to act as markers to shout to the world, "I am a man" (even as their other behavior is girlish and even ultra-girlish). For example:
1) the slovenliness that seems to be de rigueur anymore;
2) the super-macho posing of so many younger men (see Vox Day);
3) the outright sneakiness of the behavior of more and more men -- masculine men are direct in what they say and do; feminized men act like academics, they hint, and "suggest," and gossip and backstab.


So much that is wrong in our public life -- so much that is destroying the nation -- is because a majority of the nation are thinking and responding in a typically feminine manner.

Masculine men ask first: "Is it true (or at least logical)? Is it just? Is it lawful? Is it honest?"

Feminized men ask first: "How do *I* feel about it?" and they may secondarily ask, "How do *they* feel about it?"

As one example, do you really think that the Navy would be full of pregnant "sailors" if it were not for the fact that most contemporary American men are pussy-whipped pussies? Not at all; if American men were men, there would be no women on those ships in the first place. If American men were men, we'd never allow the safety and protection of the nation to be compromised by any attempts to assuage the irrational feelings and demands of perennial dissatisfied women. If American men were men, we would tell the whining feminists to just shut up ... and then we'd just ignore their screeching about that.


Ilíon: "Our men have become feminized (*) in their thinking; removing actual women from the voting rolls could well exacerbate that trend."

Drew: "How so?"

Perhaps it wouldn't. Perhaps it really would be good for socierty (and for the manliness of men) to repeal the 19th amendment. But, I don't know that and I don't see how I can know that. And so I don't assert that -- rather, I assert the truism that such repeal could help or could hurt.

Ilíon said...

The thought occurs to me: "In a culture of feminized men, the women remain infantile."

Ilíon said...

Drew: "How so?"

Also, as I mentioned in the OP, I think our society and culture -- being based upon Christianity -- are not so fragile as most societies and cultures have been. Just because the growing public influence of women in Roman society contributed to the corruption and downfall of their Republic, doesn't mean that it must have that same effect on ours.

And so, while I am convinced that the 19th amendment was a mistake, I'm not too concerned with trying to repeal it. Moreover, I think any attempt at repeal would distract from more important things, such as:
1) repealing the 17th amendment;
2) repealing the 16th amendment;
3) clarifying a mis-construal of the 14th amendment (i.e. the misunderstanding of "birthright citizenship" which gives us "anchor babies");
4) clarify (once again!) the question Where does sovereignty reside?
4a) clarifying the "lesson" of the Civil War with respect to secession;
4b) clarifying that whole "judicial review" doctrine, by which we are effectively ruled by on oligarchy of lawyers;

Drew said...

That's an interesting point about the tattoos.

Unknown said...

I detest those stupid 'grommet' things some are putting in their lobes. They do look ridiculous, way beyond studs or rings. How sad are they going to look when they get into their 50's and 60's! And the excessive tattooing is over the top. Again, something which will be regretted later.

I think both grommets and the large patterned tattoos are tribal based, it's like a pallid, spotty white youth with a Mr. T mohawk and heavy jewelry, what a joke!

But doesn't the fact that they are tribal in origin lead to the question of how feminine were the original wearers in their behavior? I wouldn't have thought they were overtly feminine, yet they wore those adornments and more.

Drew said...

I would consider a lot of the primitive tribes to be matriarchal, and their matriarchy is why they stayed primitive. For example, some of the people in Africa don't even give the father's name to the child.