tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post176799359972426028..comments2024-03-28T13:10:44.555-04:00Comments on Iliocentrism: Basil's Car ... and JusticeIlíonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-71629018351689864472010-10-30T10:01:43.903-04:002010-10-30T10:01:43.903-04:00In an amusing and wholly unexpected development, M...In an amusing and wholly unexpected development, Mr Dawkins <a href="http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/10/22/31283.htm" rel="nofollow">appears to hold that *some* persons really are moral agents</a>, who are really responsible for their actions and really can be held accountable for same.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-27046275237417905952010-08-31T11:29:06.573-04:002010-08-31T11:29:06.573-04:00Here is Ken Brown (of the 'C.Orthodoxy' bl...Here is Ken Brown (of the '<i>C.Orthodoxy</i>' blog): <a href="http://corthodoxy.wordpress.com/2007/08/10/dawkins-fawlty-logic/" rel="nofollow">Dawkins’ Fawlty Logic</a>Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-65488594793455374532010-08-31T11:27:17.409-04:002010-08-31T11:27:17.409-04:00Here is an older post on Victor Reppert's blog...Here is an older post on Victor Reppert's blog (<a href="http://dangerousidea.blogspot.com/2008/06/lets-stop-beating-basils-car-richard.html" rel="nofollow">Let's stop beating Basil's car: Richard Dawkins on moral responsibility</a>), to which, if I may be allowed to toot my own horn, I made some rather insightful comments.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-56933324594529148592010-06-26T11:34:45.420-04:002010-06-26T11:34:45.420-04:00Cornelius Hunter has a recent post related to this...Cornelius Hunter has a <a href="http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2010/06/darwin-meets-orwell.html" rel="nofollow">recent post</a> related to this.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-13347289797925067262010-04-12T11:54:01.420-04:002010-04-12T11:54:01.420-04:00Quite so, AWA: self-identifying atheists and Darwi...Quite so, AWA: self-identifying atheists and Darwinists (the "and" is because the two groups are not totally co-extensive) almost never behave <i>as though</i> they actually believe that what they assert is true about the nature of reality and of human existence is indeed the truth.<br /><br />We Christians frequently fail <i>to live up to</i> what we say is truth; the so-called Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-51369022754350102402010-04-11T06:43:36.969-04:002010-04-11T06:43:36.969-04:00Two things that came to mind while reading this:
...Two things that came to mind while reading this:<br /><br />Dawkins, much like Gould, goes on about how one is unable to ultimately make moral pronouncements about life; it just "is", and we "dance" to DNA's music. Or some such flirtation with fashionable nihilism... <br /><br />But ever notice how often the evolutionary story - take any example from the paleo scriptures kh123https://www.blogger.com/profile/15230935976084971917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-86148934245099848992010-04-07T13:55:15.756-04:002010-04-07T13:55:15.756-04:00Cathy,
I may not be the best person to ask whether...Cathy,<br />I may not be the best person to ask whether Dawkins is always so irritating, as everything about the man irritates me.<br /><br />I'm happy that you are getting something out of reading my posts.<br /><br />Coherent thoughts don't have to be earthmoving, so please, share your thoughts with us. Who knows how much earth we may move my bouncing regular ol' thought off each Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-51412130054381135932010-04-07T13:40:08.830-04:002010-04-07T13:40:08.830-04:00You know the affliction we call "Holier Than ...You know the affliction we call "<i>Holier Than Thou</i>"? ... well, for some of the persons afflicted with it (some of whom even claim to be atheists), the "Thou" of whom they are more holy is God himself!Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-11108928484490820592010-04-07T13:32:14.496-04:002010-04-07T13:32:14.496-04:00Oh, I know. Just thinking out loud, so to speak. I...Oh, I know. Just thinking out loud, so to speak. In part because it's a major issue for me as well, and one game I wish fellow christians (who seem to almost have a monopoly on this) would quit playing.Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-81841549625661125802010-04-07T13:27:09.617-04:002010-04-07T13:27:09.617-04:00I don't disagree with anything you've said...I don't disagree with anything you've said, Crude. I was, shall we say, trying to look at the too-common situation in the most charitable light I could.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-63098284908703045852010-04-07T13:11:29.478-04:002010-04-07T13:11:29.478-04:00And far too many who claim to be on God's side...<i>And far too many who claim to be on God's side will viciously attack *you* for being so “uncharitable” to the foolish and irrational God-haters. They’re either deluded about being on God’s side, or they’re suffering Stockholm Syndrome.</i><br /><br />Various reasons, I think. Many times a misplaced feeling of charity - I wonder if this is actually imported from ecumenical dialogue many Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-88414631403923388382010-04-07T07:31:47.474-04:002010-04-07T07:31:47.474-04:00You're welcome, Crude. This posting is not re...You're welcome, Crude. This posting is not really something I "dug up," it's actually selected content of half a dozen or more old posts going back to 2007, edited and expanded with new lines of thought.<br /><br />"<i>But I agree it all collapses. He raises a moral objection in the one worldview where such objections can't coherently be raised. He attempts to make an Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-63647008090152201962010-04-07T00:00:37.355-04:002010-04-07T00:00:37.355-04:00Thanks for this, of course.
Naturally, Dawkins wi...Thanks for this, of course.<br /><br />Naturally, Dawkins will - if ever called out on this sort of thing, and it's happened more than once - back off, claim he's been misunderstood or didn't mean to be taken in such and such a way, etc.<br /><br />But I agree it all collapses. He raises a moral objection in the one worldview where such objections can't coherently be raised. He Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-75436355546063088242010-04-06T23:57:29.620-04:002010-04-06T23:57:29.620-04:00Ilion, you get me thinking about so much stuff -- ...Ilion, you get me thinking about so much stuff -- and given the truly dreadful intellectual atrophy that has set in over the last mrmphty-mrmph years, I can actually hear the creaking inside my head.<br /><br />But if I can extract a coherent thought -- besides being surprised that someone so widely believed to be smart as Dawkins (just ask him) would commit himself to such a half-assed model as cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245395774915274363noreply@blogger.com