tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post6227493966384708993..comments2024-03-28T13:10:44.555-04:00Comments on Iliocentrism: Vox Day's ProblemIlíonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-77025980543659293812010-05-22T15:58:39.710-04:002010-05-22T15:58:39.710-04:00On Bertrand Russell, he was important in that he p...On Bertrand Russell, he was important in that he played major role in the development of many of the most important philosophical schools and movements throughout the early 20th century (Also many of the worst such as Logical positivism and the Vienna Circle which were influenced by him and Wittgenstein). He helped get them established, but his casual dismissal of metaphysics and blind The Phantom Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17301687130245098474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-63340889240873867232010-05-22T15:57:21.968-04:002010-05-22T15:57:21.968-04:00The funny thing with Feser on Russell is he compli...The funny thing with Feser on Russell is he complimented him for rejecting materialism as Crude points out (Russell embraced Neutral monism the "view is that the raw material out of which the world is built up is not of two sorts, one matter and the other mind, but that it is arranged in different patterns by its inter-relations, and that some arrangements may be called mental, while others The Phantom Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17301687130245098474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-25690903339929649792010-05-21T18:53:31.745-04:002010-05-21T18:53:31.745-04:00What is one to say of persons who acknowledge that...<i>What is one to say of persons who acknowledge that naturalism is bankrupt ... and yet still are naturalists/atheists or advocates of atheism and/or denigrate Christians (as Christians) as being “superstitious” and worse? </i><br /><br />Probably what I've seen a few people say about Russell (and a few others): Great insights on some subjects, but he lost his mind when it came to religion. Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-46404837632051874242010-05-21T18:15:21.749-04:002010-05-21T18:15:21.749-04:00No, I hadn't seen it (thanks for making me awa...No, I hadn't <a href="http://prosblogion.ektopos.com/archives/2010/05/naturalism-a-co.html" rel="nofollow">seen it</a> (thanks for making me aware of it).<br /><br />As for what you say about Feser ... well, sure; but then what? What is one to say of persons who acknowledge that naturalism is bankrupt ... and yet still are naturalists/atheists or advocates of atheism and/or denigrate Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-47309456279276758642010-05-21T17:59:26.743-04:002010-05-21T17:59:26.743-04:00Have you seen Trent Dougherty's recent post on...Have you seen Trent Dougherty's recent post on naturalism at Prosblogion? I think you may find it of interest.<br /><br />As far as Feser specifically goes, though, I think his words on that front are a bit more qualified. He praises Russell, for example, but only insofar as Russell was not a materialist. He seems to have nothing but scorn for naturalism/materialism, even in an intellectual Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-15936292618362761312010-05-21T17:56:20.932-04:002010-05-21T17:56:20.932-04:00I'll take "Vox Day," any day, warts ...I'll take "Vox Day," any day, warts and all, over the insipid dishonesty of elevating "civility" over truth.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-24982772734986195212010-05-21T17:54:24.490-04:002010-05-21T17:54:24.490-04:00Of course.
And about the misplaced praise of the ...Of course.<br /><br />And about the misplaced praise of the "Old Atheists" (from Hart ... and from Feser, and Reppert, and so on and so on) -- ugggh! The "Old Atheists" were just as great fools, just as intellectually dishonest, as the "New Atheists" are.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-15870865019725109572010-05-21T17:37:10.106-04:002010-05-21T17:37:10.106-04:00Nah, I know you're not just tearing him down. ...Nah, I know you're not just tearing him down. And I'm certainly not presenting him as flawless - he's got flaws a-plenty. I'm just offering up my own view of the guy.<br /><br />I admit, I admire him in part, for all his flaws (not to mention, unorthodoxies). He's one of a scant handful of people who speaks frankly about controversial issues, when such talk is needed. (Even Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-90788793787327509972010-05-21T16:34:55.663-04:002010-05-21T16:34:55.663-04:00Crude,
I'd read that just before you posted it...Crude,<br />I'd read that just before you posted it. And, as you can see from the OP, I'm not ragging on him, not trying to present him as a monster or as having no good qualities.<br /><br />Whether it's the case "here," it's <i>frequently</i> the case with him. And, <a href="http://iliocentrism.blogspot.com/2010/02/this-is-boring-yet-necessary.html?showComment=Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-37236131860935170422010-05-21T16:26:35.841-04:002010-05-21T16:26:35.841-04:00I think he clearly takes pride in humiliating peop...I think he clearly takes pride in humiliating people, but he seems to largely aim for people who themselves love to attack and humiliate others.<br /><br />Right in that quote he's saying he takes pleasure from putting a person on the defensive - but it's specifically a person who is taking it upon themselves to go on the offensive about a subject they obviously don't know too much Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-30149040564239234832010-05-21T13:37:44.259-04:002010-05-21T13:37:44.259-04:00Crude: "What? His love of getting people angr...<b>Crude:</b> "<i>What? His love of getting people angry and defensive?</i>"<br /><br />Close, but deeper and more troublesome.<br /><br /><b>VD (from the first link):</b> "<i>... Being an Award-Winning Cruelty Artist, I tend to rather enjoy seeing how speedily I can force them to retreat from a prosecutorial pose to the position of a desperate, wild-eyed defense attorney who knowsIlíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-39354286469355071212010-05-20T23:25:29.006-04:002010-05-20T23:25:29.006-04:00Oh, I am so glad you included that "humble re...Oh, I am so glad you included that "humble request" post; it's very comforting to see this Vox who's willing to treat someone respectfully, even generously. (Plus some interesting points, and reading suggestions.)cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245395774915274363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-92224618768613351202010-05-19T18:57:34.477-04:002010-05-19T18:57:34.477-04:00What? His love of getting people angry and defensi...What? His love of getting people angry and defensive?Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.com