tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post567496062003000699..comments2024-02-21T10:13:00.928-05:00Comments on Iliocentrism: Mother Theresa on PrayerIlíonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-43280732439857245882016-09-17T11:12:37.655-04:002016-09-17T11:12:37.655-04:00To be fair, it's apparently 2 things. 1) know ...To be fair, it's apparently 2 things. 1) know how you might ask fellow church members to pray for you? Invoking the saints is like that since they're supposed to be still a part of the church and not dead. Praying to Mary is based upon that incident at the wedding feast (she then goes and asks her son to do it).<br /><br />Once I understood it, I'll admit now it's not idolatrous, Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-21723198150587023952016-09-07T08:24:16.835-04:002016-09-07T08:24:16.835-04:00"One does not demand that God performs for us..."<i>One does not demand that God performs for us</i>"<br /><br />^ Yes: That was Christ's point in his rebuke of Satan: "It is written again (also), Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."<br /><br />The point is not that we may not ask God for miracles, but that we may not demand them, and we may not do worse by trying to *force* God to perform a miracle.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-33922773230632422742016-09-07T00:28:24.081-04:002016-09-07T00:28:24.081-04:00Miracles should be a strong point for believers si...Miracles should be a strong point for believers since there is objective evidence for them. This is the weakest point for atheists. But when you bring in subjective experiences, that is not relevant to convincing an unbeliever. <br /><br />One should also keep in mind the sharp difference between miraculous and providential acts of God. Prayer can be answered providentially (as when one is Gyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-65716903493240821722016-09-06T15:38:09.130-04:002016-09-06T15:38:09.130-04:00I don't think the conversation was sidetracked...I don't think the conversation was sidetracked at all. The atheist obsession with miracles is telling. If I were a believer in conspiracy theories (which I'm not) I'd say that it smells of an attempt at entrapment - with trying to get believers to commit to a "gap" argument for the faith - which could then be crushed. <br /><br />But I would wager that at least 99.99 percentB. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-33447411408288357562016-09-06T01:26:47.413-04:002016-09-06T01:26:47.413-04:00But the discussion got side-tracked. The issue was...But the discussion got side-tracked. The issue was miracles and prayer, esp silent prayer had little to do with it. <br />Miracles are solidly attested, by highest scientific authorities. There is no way an atheist could wriggle out here. But the focus on prayer allowed subjective experiences to dominate the discussion in place of objective phenomena. <br /><br />I can only surmise that miracles Gyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-14906573995466832202016-09-02T09:52:54.382-04:002016-09-02T09:52:54.382-04:00Thanks for re-posting this, Ilion. But lest anyone...Thanks for re-posting this, Ilion. But lest anyone credit me for the wording, I was quoting from <a href="http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/how-to-explain-the-importance-of-praying-before-the-blessed-sacrament.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a>. I strategically elided certain phrases (and thus the triple dots) to make the passage less "Catholic" and B. Prokophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10548980245078214688noreply@blogger.com