tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post2423258894998943412..comments2024-03-28T13:10:44.555-04:00Comments on Iliocentrism: 'Science!' and Miracles ... and Skepticism!Ilíonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-56422176665074444562014-01-17T00:31:48.493-05:002014-01-17T00:31:48.493-05:00No, I think you're missing the point, probably...No, I think you're missing the point, probably two points.<br /><br />Even as he is denying actual miracles -- denying that there may occur <i>intentionally caused</i> events which confound any scientific "laws of nature" -- Sagan is asserting that events can happen which run completely *contrary* to all scientific "laws of nature" and that they are <i>without cause or Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-71033208493439932202014-01-16T14:33:26.796-05:002014-01-16T14:33:26.796-05:00I love ya buddy, but I think you miss the point. S...I love ya buddy, but I think you miss the point. Sagan isn't wrong, he's just half-right. He only sees the material world and demands everything arise from that. There's more to the world than what Science! can measure.<br /><br />Some of us have been blessed to experience miracles in our lives. (And no, it wasn't Einstein's equations coming to life.) There is a God, some of K T Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259428595745509790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-49062876069515009202010-07-09T15:42:12.961-04:002010-07-09T15:42:12.961-04:00No, I have nothing to add regarding this post.
Ho...No, I have nothing to add regarding this post.<br /><br />However, I, too, have been curious about your Rupert, especially after he came looking for you when you were away for a while, and lobbed in weird little rudenesses, just to draw you out, I suppose.<br /><br />If we were all 11-year-olds, it might make sense, but as it is -- not so much.cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245395774915274363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-39234158837566903432010-07-09T05:56:19.758-04:002010-07-09T05:56:19.758-04:00"You might want to turn off the word verifica..."<i>You might want to turn off the word verification and turn on the approve-to-post setting for a bit, Ilion.</i>"<br /><br />Sure, but that's a nuisance to others who have real comments to post.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-22018435401771762152010-07-09T03:42:01.820-04:002010-07-09T03:42:01.820-04:00You might want to turn off the word verification a...You might want to turn off the word verification and turn on the approve-to-post setting for a bit, Ilion.<br /><br />Nothing pisses trolls off more than being ignored, and "oh, it had X name, I will delete it" with on you seeing it is a great defense.<br /><br />If the theory holds that something would happen less than once, on average, in the time the known universe has existed...I Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-7181607445215353492010-07-08T23:13:33.930-04:002010-07-08T23:13:33.930-04:00Also, Rupert doesn't seem to get the point (th...Also, Rupert doesn't seem to get the point (though I though I was very clear on this) that I don't even read his posts; I just delete them.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-23365257839864321172010-07-08T23:11:44.748-04:002010-07-08T23:11:44.748-04:00As far as I have been able to see, there is no dir...As far as I have been able to see, there is no direct way with the Blogger software to ban someone. I think there may be third-party add-ons that allow that.<br /><br /><br />"<i>Anyway, I agree that the humean thing tends to be a sham. It hinges on what's meant by 'natural', which has gone out the window for decades now.</i>"<br /><br />Based on recent comments along theseIlíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-77528031157182542742010-07-08T22:32:12.913-04:002010-07-08T22:32:12.913-04:00Nah, delete 'em. Why don't you ban him tho...Nah, delete 'em. Why don't you ban him though? Or do you, but he just keeps circumventing it?<br /><br />Anyway, I agree that the humean thing tends to be a sham. It hinges on what's meant by 'natural', which has gone out the window for decades now.Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-67760635171719286002010-07-08T21:46:06.762-04:002010-07-08T21:46:06.762-04:00"That would be an interesting move for some a..."<i>That would be an interesting move for some anti-religious sorts to make: To not deny any of the miracles recorded, but to blame it on quantum mechanics.</i>"<br /><br />True enough; but, my point with this post is this:<br /><br />Given the commitments that so-called atheists make with their worship of '<i>Science!</i>,' then their Humean anti-miracle anapologetic is easily Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-53296637330806709112010-07-08T21:34:01.894-04:002010-07-08T21:34:01.894-04:00I suppose I should have left Rupert's comment ...I suppose I should have left Rupert's comment here, just so that future readers could know what you refer to. On the other hand, whem he crossed the line (and he did that almost immediately), I did promise him that I'd delete any further posts he made.<br /><br />I'm sure that all I ever did to ol' Rupert is mock one (or all) of his foolish belief-systems:<br />1) atheism;<br />2Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-19349169548433467682010-07-08T20:18:13.786-04:002010-07-08T20:18:13.786-04:00What did you do to this guy, Ilion? Seriously. I c...What did you do to this guy, Ilion? Seriously. I can be every bit as much of a blunt bastard as you, and I have yet to pick up an admirer like Rupert yet.<br /><br />At least tell me this: Is he named after the cartoon grouper, or that teddy bear Stewie Griffin molests?Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-152914376918230202010-07-08T17:12:46.865-04:002010-07-08T17:12:46.865-04:00That would be an interesting move for some anti-re...That would be an interesting move for some anti-religious sorts to make: To not deny any of the miracles recorded, but to blame it on quantum mechanics. It's a silly and hopeless move, so of course it will eventually be done. (Hell, I think Eugene Koonin already made the move in the Origin of Life.)<br /><br />Then again, I'd also like to see someone turn around and say that matter and Crudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04178390947423928444noreply@blogger.com