tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post2260330108811645539..comments2024-03-28T13:10:44.555-04:00Comments on Iliocentrism: 'Bioethics' and the Houben CaseIlíonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-594339353341337992010-03-02T16:36:34.929-05:002010-03-02T16:36:34.929-05:00Here's a relatively recent news item relevant ...Here's a relatively recent news item relevant to the *actual* issue: <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7150119/Patients-in-vegetative-state-can-think-and-communicate.html" rel="nofollow">Patients in 'vegetative' state can think and communicate</a>Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-416833449810343342010-02-15T09:47:49.491-05:002010-02-15T09:47:49.491-05:00Dr. Laureys performed additional tests with Houben...Dr. Laureys performed additional tests with Houben and the facilitator and found that, in fact, the communications were coming from the facilitator, not Houben:<br /><br />http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=1596Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-7660866334141444912009-12-18T05:53:38.146-05:002009-12-18T05:53:38.146-05:00"When Anne Sullivan taught Helen Keller to co...<i>"When Anne Sullivan taught Helen Keller to communicate, was *everyone* at once able to communicate with her, or did those who wished to communicate with her directly, without going through Anne Sullivan, have to learn how to do so? Mr Houben's disability is far greater than Helen Keller's was; does it not stand to reason that if he is indeed communicating that it will take great kh123https://www.blogger.com/profile/15230935976084971917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-69919255922724107532009-11-27T01:00:13.118-05:002009-11-27T01:00:13.118-05:00Commending the irony. Commending the summation of...Commending the irony. Commending the summation of the perverse logic.<br /><br />But, Mr Lippard is not looking at the case rationally, for rationality also encompasses morality.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-35593472569262946312009-11-27T00:36:59.389-05:002009-11-27T00:36:59.389-05:00"Huh, I read it as a gallow's humor/irony...<i>"Huh, I read it as a gallow's humor/irony sort of way of saying "her husband murdered her."</i><br /><br />No, you were quite right. It was ironic gallows humor. But then when Ilion replied, 'That's a good point!' (and nothing more) I was left with the quandry of wondering what point it was that he was commending.<br /><br />Mr. Lippard is looking at the problemJames Nicholashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715293983358801138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-60203723899113611072009-11-26T23:35:19.590-05:002009-11-26T23:35:19.590-05:00Huh, I read it as a gallow's humor/irony sort ...Huh, I read it as a gallow's humor/irony sort of way of saying "her husband murdered her."<br />'Net is bad for tone.<br /><br />(I do wonder what it would have taken for her husband to lose control of her-- multiple illegitimate children with his mistress, a pile of money and implications he was abusive weren't enough!)<br /><br />For the "dead" woman who was Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-80994068001434986452009-11-26T23:13:06.745-05:002009-11-26T23:13:06.745-05:00Well, it was a little flippant and provocative.
...Well, it was a little flippant and provocative. <br /><br />I am sure that Mr. Lippard has given this topic a considerabloe amount of thought. All the same the Schiavo case ended up with her mother and father watching their daughter slowly die because she could no longer drink or feed herself. A feeding tube can hardly be considered <i>'heroic measures'</i>.<br /><br />To be sure, James Nicholashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715293983358801138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-41431761404585248722009-11-26T16:56:55.072-05:002009-11-26T16:56:55.072-05:00OK, I think I've said what I intend to say. A...OK, I think I've said what I intend to say. Any changes ought to be minor, and more in the way of correcting typos or firming up the grammar.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-38253400790114335762009-11-26T16:17:39.407-05:002009-11-26T16:17:39.407-05:00That's a very good point, Nicholas.That's a very good point, Nicholas.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-9615835707875743322009-11-26T15:23:06.725-05:002009-11-26T15:23:06.725-05:00BTW, none of this provides any evidence that Terri...<i>BTW, none of this provides any evidence that Terri Schiavo was MCS rather than PVS</i><br /><br />Anyways, the husband wanted her gone. It took a couple of weeks, but its done. <br /><br />No use talking about it now.<br /><br />Anybody catch the Lions game?James Nicholashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715293983358801138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-23234700933245874812009-11-26T14:54:42.571-05:002009-11-26T14:54:42.571-05:00I blind-type all the time-- it's called touch-...I blind-type all the time-- it's called touch-typing when it's taught at school. My hands are too small to touch exactly right, though-- yet I can type without looking, and it took a lot less time than three years to learn it.<br /><br />All of that assuming that the video wasn't staged.<br /> (Most of the TV spots I've seen made have been staged by the news folks to "look Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-62199597568159787322009-11-26T14:31:12.754-05:002009-11-26T14:31:12.754-05:00The check Laureys says he did is a single-blinded ...The check Laureys says he did is a single-blinded test--that's not sufficient to exclude unconscious cuing by the experimenter. A controlled test would be better.<br /><br />But the actual footage looks very bad--you can't accurately direct a facilitator's finger to a key if you aren't looking at the keyboard, and worse yet if your eyes are closed. See the Belgian TV footage in Lippardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16826768452963498005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-82551973181049696312009-11-26T14:11:28.399-05:002009-11-26T14:11:28.399-05:00Will do!Will do!Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-2529708393771660072009-11-26T13:55:20.964-05:002009-11-26T13:55:20.964-05:00Hello Foxfier.
I'm still composing (and undat...Hello Foxfier.<br /><br />I'm still composing (and undating) this post. I hope you'll manage to read it after I've completed it.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-40032238533822235082009-11-26T12:55:18.630-05:002009-11-26T12:55:18.630-05:00I tend to class the bio-ethicists into ethicists a...I tend to class the bio-ethicists into ethicists and utilitarians. Sadly, the ethicists are usually religious and thus easy for the "let's harvest the disabled" folks to dismiss on those grounds.Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.com