tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post1002695742654235689..comments2024-03-28T13:10:44.555-04:00Comments on Iliocentrism: Truth and Honesty ... and OtherwiseIlíonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-75218681417898818492016-08-28T12:13:18.317-04:002016-08-28T12:13:18.317-04:00First off, I'll freely admit (after all, it...<i>First off, I'll freely admit (after all, it's not as though God doesn't already know) that I don't have the faith -- I don't have the depth of trust in God -- to do as young Cocky did and stop trying to control what I cannot control.</i><br /><br />It's also worth noting that there could be any number of times that "cocky's gambit" did not work but they Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-31426260195396078692016-01-22T17:07:12.812-05:002016-01-22T17:07:12.812-05:00That's a good way to put it.
The point I had ...That's a good way to put it.<br /><br />The point I had originally been trying to across to Feser (and others) is that his stance that:<br />1) all acts of lying are inherently immoral<br />coupled with:<br />2) in the theoretical case of "murderer at the door", one is morally required to lie to the would-be murderer<br />cashes out to this:<br />3) Sometimes, morality requires one Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-54208154298873619902016-01-22T16:35:11.960-05:002016-01-22T16:35:11.960-05:00It's also rather ironic coming from Christians...It's also rather ironic coming from Christians because the Boss said, "don't murder <b>in your heart</b>" and "don't lust <b>in your heart</b>" yet here some of His followers are saying that you can deceive in your heart all you want as long as you don't follow through the actual act.<br /><br />But good luck trying to ever get them to admit that a premise mustNate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-58186107690375527812010-09-28T17:46:30.667-04:002010-09-28T17:46:30.667-04:00//Does that "solution" give anyone any g...//Does that "solution" give anyone any guidance at all in differentiating immoral lies from not-immoral "lies?"//<br /><br />Well, no, but neither does the statement that we must only tell the truth when we have a moral obligation to tell the truth. Anyway, I think errors like O'Donnell's just demonstrate the error of simplistic legalism divorced from a thorough Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14143205583006210792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-48239721565880258812010-09-28T12:11:24.350-04:002010-09-28T12:11:24.350-04:00The reason we teach small children that all decept...The reason we teach small children that all deceptions are lies and are never morally permissible is that they are not yet sophisticated enough to grasp the proper distinctions between immoral lies and not-immoral "lies." That, and that being small children they are most unlikely ever to be in a situation where grasping the distinction matters.<br /><br />Even if we had in our languageIlíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-74958558168415797622010-09-28T11:59:35.635-04:002010-09-28T11:59:35.635-04:00Drew: "The traditional solution is just to sa...<b>Drew:</b> "<i>The traditional solution is just to say that not all lies are wrong, and you never really explain why there is anything wrong with that formulation.</i>"<br /><br />Certainly I did. I just didn't go into extensive, example-by-example, detail. I said: "<i>... And yet, we are forced to use the same word for deceiving others when we should not, and when we Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-91120988377038413262010-09-28T02:37:33.876-04:002010-09-28T02:37:33.876-04:00I believe the philosophy is something like measure...I believe the philosophy is something like measured in terms of "harming the truth."Foxfierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161683096247890834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-479830240587990195.post-64077176229091767972010-09-28T01:26:56.851-04:002010-09-28T01:26:56.851-04:00I don't really understand the point of the pos...I don't really understand the point of the post. The traditional solution is just to say that not all lies are wrong, and you never really explain why there is anything wrong with that formulation.Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14143205583006210792noreply@blogger.com